A Deeper Look at Existence with Christian Sundberg

In this Episode

• • [02:17]Stephan introduces Christian Sundberg, public speaker and author of A Walk in the Physical, who reflects on his journey toward discovering his uniqueness.
  • [08:17]Christian delves into telepathy, describing it as a profound sense of knowing and energetic connection.
  • [10:25]Christian recounts a personal ESP experience involving a piece of moss.
  • [13:26]Christian illustrates the unique qualities of Stephan’s soul by interpreting his energy and vibration.
  • [15:46]Christian emphasizes how trauma can disrupt natural kindness and impact energetic exchanges.
  • [18:43]Stephan recalls an instance of validation through his sensitivity to energy.
  • [20:09]Christian opens up about the challenges of balancing a mainstream career with spiritual pursuits while they also explore how different environments can either rejuvenate or drain energy.
  • [33:29]Christian sheds light on spiritual vibrations and the nature of thought forms.
  • [44:04]Christian reflects on our true essence as consciousness beyond the limitations of physical form.

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Christian, it’s so great to have you on the show.

Thank you, Stephan. It’s wonderful to be here.

First of all, I’d love to have you share your origin story of how you came to realize you were different from most people and how that affected your life.

We’re all very different and unique. But when I was a small child, I had pre-birth awareness. I remember choosing this life and why. That memory left me completely by the age of five or six. It returned spontaneously at the age of 30. I’m not going to share that experience in detail. I’ve shared it many times. But since that experience, and the out-of-body experiences I had starting around the same time and over the last 13 years, I have probably seen the world differently than the average person. 

I’m aware that this is an experience we’re having. This is an experience that’s occurring within consciousness, within what we really are. We’re not really human, actually. We just have the human experience and, through it, integrating this experience and learning and growing and becoming more, working our way towards love, using the contrast of the human condition for the expansion of love and the working past of fear. So that’s super high level. But, yeah, I see the world in that way. And I’m aware on a daily basis that we’re not just humans. We’re actually bigger.

What happened when you were five or six, and that memory left you? Was it a certain moment or event that coincided with losing that memory? Or was there a gradual slipping away of that memory?

We’re all very different and unique.

It’s more the latter because of the veil. That means the constraints we agree to accept and wear while we are human, the veil functions in such a way that our larger nature is obscured. The more we focus on the physical, the more we get of the physical. As I aged, I learned the conditioning of a young child. My name, who I was, and what I was supposed to and was not supposed to do. The more we focus on that story and learn and associate with that, the deeper the veil. That was just a gradual process. It’s very natural.

I think everyone actually is closer vibrationally and conscious to the other side at the very beginning of life because we haven’t become so form associated. But as we grow in the form of association, it’s quite normal here to completely forget at the conscious human level—what we really are. That’s just part of the game.

Who are we, and who are you? How does that show up in your daily life?

Who we really are is vastly beyond language. It can’t be spoken of because of its spirit, consciousness, awareness, beingness, and life with a capital “L.” That consciousness fully transcends all form, language, distinction, description, and duality. We can’t take a word or 2, 5 or 100 and successfully describe consciousness. But that’s what we are. Using some metaphors, we could say that each of us is like a drop in the great ocean of all that is an ocean. Or, more specifically, a drop in the ocean of source, what we crudely call God. That is the great I am. That is the root of all things.

We’re each a drop in that ocean. We could say that each drop is a soul. It just means an individuated consciousness. I like the term that Tom Campbell, the physicist and consciousness explorer, uses the individuated unit of consciousness (IUOC) for the soul. It’s accurate. We are individuated beings, but yet simultaneously one with the whole. That’s important because here on earth, we’ve come deeply into the experience of separation. 

As we feel distinct, completely separate from each other and the environment, we think, “I’m just me. I’m just in this body. This body is all I am.” We don’t feel conscious, on a day-to-day basis, that we are actually one with everyone else and everything else in higher systems, that knowing is quite normal. We need to sense that others are a part of us and that we are a part of them. The environment is a part of us. In short, we are each soul. The soul has many different experiences and many unique qualities. We’re each very, very unique, even though we’ve all come here and kind of met in this place on earth, having this human experience at this time.

Do you remember past lives? Do you remember, for example, if we’ve met before? Do you feel any sense of connection with me?

I feel a connection with you. I feel a connection with many, especially those of clearer awareness. As the form of association is not as firm, it’s easier to feel the living connection. To your question, I have some brief memories of other physical experiences. I’ve had some snippets of some details. They’re not other people. It was just me doing other things, having other experiences, and being other people. Same me, same eye.

I’m aware of that. But sometimes I get curious and try to go down that path, and I can feel this gentle nudge, like, “No, you don’t need to go there right now. And that’s fine.” I’m doing this thing now, this human experience now. So, I try to stay rooted in just this character at the moment. I’m aware that we are much more than just this character that we play. I feel the connectedness that you mentioned with others every day.

Do you receive stuff telepathically from others that you don’t have to communicate through voice? Or do you get just a knowing? How does the information show up for you?

Those two things are pretty synonymous: telepathy and knowing. I do feel that. It’s hard to describe this, but it’s a perception of non-physical awareness. I feel my energetic connection with others, so I may feel what’s going on with them as humans or who they are more often. Actually, I feel more like who they are, who is shining through the human character. If an actor puts on clothes and plays a role, you never can get past them being that actor. Robin Williams is a great actor. In every movie he’s in, Robin Williams just plays these other roles. I kind of see and feel energetic people like that a little bit.

We’re the soul playing through this given character and its story and forming associations. We’re all connected. That connectedness is just like the supernatural. It’s available to all of us when we sufficiently let go of the form, association, and what we’re not.  It’s just what we are, that connectedness, that aliveness is just. It’s always there, even though typically we’re veiled in the human experience.

As I said, separation is such a deep part of this experience. We typically don’t consciously perceive that at the human level. But that is changing. It’s on the rise as we grow in awareness. We grow in that conscious awareness and feeling of connectedness with each other and of each other’s natures.

How does this show up? Give us an example of a scenario where you have gotten some extra sensory perception, some sort of knowledge, insight, or information that allows you to communicate more or to achieve an outcome that wouldn’t normally have been possible with somebody that maybe you just met.

Sometimes, I do on ones with people. I’m usually very busy, but I love it. I love doing it when I can find the time to really spend time. Sometimes, I’ll meditate, and kind of feel into who they are. This is one that has a very specific, tangible, and physical result. I guess I’ll mention this example. Years ago, I was interacting with someone online who I just felt intuitively was a part of my soul tribe, my family, and the souls that I know so well and are very resonant with me. 

We’re each a drop in the ocean, and we could say that each drop is a soul.

I had never met her physically, but I was just so familiar with her energy and was highly meditated at that period in life. I was very connected to the spirit.

One day at work, I went for a walk behind my workplace up this hill, and I felt that this non-physical dialogue with her higher self was the word we used. That is the portion of her that is bigger than the human. I know this sounds wild, but I felt this connection with her, and she gave me this energetic gift of this healing feeling down my spine, which was really wonderful.

It was accompanied by this recognition of who I am. I was like, “Wow, that’s really beautiful. Thank you so much.” She told me telepathically, “See that piece of moss on the ground right there? Pick that up, take that back to your desk, and tell me that means the human me about that, and it is a sign of a gift.” Because I try to remain skeptical about these things, it’s important to remain grounded, of course. But I took this moss back to my desk and thought, “What the hell?” 

So I reached out to her and said, “I’m pretty sure that your higher self just gave me this energy experience as a gift and then told me to bring this piece of moss back to my desk. What does that mean anything to you?” She said, “I kid you not. Last night, I told my husband that the perfect example of a gift someone could give me would be a piece of moss.” It was pretty awesome.

When that kind of thing happens, typically, it’s a more personal connection. I’ll just feel energetically who they are and what they’re experiencing to some degree. If I’m really form-focused, like if I’ve been working all week and haven’t meditated as much, that sense diminishes significantly.

Telepathy and knowing are synonymous. It’s a perception of non-physical awareness.

But if I’m clear and alert and feeling present and not cluttered in my consciousness, then I might feel all sorts of things from them, maybe what they’re dealing with in their life or what assumptions they’ve got mixed into the structures they’ve built as a human and true natures, true qualities of the soul. We each have so many unique qualities as souls, and they’re very unique and very specific to each person. 

They’re very beautiful. It’s amazing to feel into that, experience that, share that with someone, and find and see a little of who they are here even while we’re here. So that’s difficult to describe. I know that doesn’t sound too specific, but the best outcome is that sometimes I’ve been able to help people if they’re at a place where what I suggest would be helpful.

Do you get a sense of some of the unique qualities of my soul? Do you feel clear and meditated enough to?

Do you want me to share that on air?

Of course.

Giving it justice takes time. I need to spend time dwelling on the vibration of the person. But I can simply say you are very kind. It’s very unobstructed in a way that’s unusual. The energy that you have that I feel from you feels wide in a way, like it’s sitting almost like it’s outside of you. A lot of people have a very protected, internalized thing. You’re not really so worried about that. 

I don’t like to use the term aura too much here, but it feels like the aura would be large and wide because your energy is just kind of out. It’s white. So when we perceive these things, if there’s going to be words or colors or a specific form as an expression, it tends to be language in our own experience.

It’s important to remain grounded.

So if somebody tells you a color, that doesn’t necessarily mean that’s the color that you are. It means that color might mean something to me. So I feel from you like a pale white, which is kind of simple, pure. Simple in a good way. Pure willingness to be loving, caring, and open, but maybe a little bit perplexed by the taller structures in the world that might try to step on you energetically.

I resonate with that. Now, if you work with somebody on a longer session, what sort of insights do you get on the soul of that person that maybe they could apply in their day-to-day life and is immediately actionable?

I can’t claim any actionable-ness. First of all, my own state will very much affect how successful I’m able to be. Successfully is a bad word. How clearly I’m able to sense what I sense. As beings, we are familiar with certain vibrational qualities. We know certain things. We’ve experienced certain things. We could even say we’ve mastered certain things and have our vibrational qualities.

When we interact with the vibration of another, there may be portions of them that we can’t even understand, which would be the best way to put it, and others that might be very resonant. So there are some individuals with whom I feel strong resonance, and I feel that sensing from them energetically is very easy, while others that I might not feel so resonant with the sensing is not as easy. 

But anyway, all I could do was offer what I sensed in case it was helpful to them. It’s helpful to remind them who they really are because many of us get lost within the form of association. We get lost in the negative stories, within the fear patterns, within the pain, within the trauma. There are a lot of people who are wrapped in trauma, and then they forget that they’re really beings of deep kindness.

My own state will very much how clearly I’m able to sense what I sense. As beings, we have familiarity with certain vibrational qualities.

As an example, because of all the trauma, they become very prickly or something. That’s okay. But remind them, “Oh, my gosh, you really have a lot of kindness.” It might be so natural for them to feel that kindness, but it’s been lost in trauma so long ago that it might not be helpful. I can’t claim any specific outcome. I can at least say, “Okay, so then there’s another layer.”

I don’t mean to make this sound even more mystical because I like to stay grounded about these things, but there’s also an energetic exchange. So, sometimes, I’ve been able to interact with somebody non-physically in a way that I feel is helpful. So even though they might not be consciously aware of it, there could be a way to nudge or interact with the energy body in a useful way because we’re both on everyone; we’re on earth right now. 

Because we’re on earth, we have an advantage over each other that the guides don’t necessarily have, and that is, we’re all local, so we’ve all got a similar resonance. We’re all in the lower vibrational realm of Earth, whereas guides are very high vibrations. So, it can often be tricky for them to interact with us. Our advantage here is that if we can offer a vibration of love and support to each other, it can be really effective and potent because we’re both at the dense level.

Our resonance is not as far. I don’t know if I can describe that. Well, yeah, that’s a very personal question you asked, and I’m not sure. There are so many ways I could speak to it. I don’t consider that to be the main thing that I do. I just really enjoy doing it because connecting with other people is joyful. Really connecting, feeling each other, sharing our vulnerabilities and our joys, and where we really are are joyful. That’s our true. Our true nature always shares for real, not the fake stuff. So I just really enjoy doing that. But I don’t claim to be any kind of psychic, medium, or energy worker, even though I work with energy. I wouldn’t label myself in that way.

It’s cool, though. I had a session once with Ariya Lorenz. I learned about her from Mindvalley, from Vishen Lakhiani. I did a session with her, and she looked in my eyes and said, “There’s just so much love there.” She looked into my soul like eyes were the windows to the soul. When she looks into people’s eyes, she connects with who they really are, and she sees so much love. I just loved hearing that. It’s validating.

Validating—that’s exactly the word I was trying to look for. I mean, I think it’s apparent. I think that people can see it on the surface, even if they’re not energetically sensitive, but we only see the physical result, whereas the energy of who someone is like. Individuals may be masterful as souls in certain ways. You have masterful qualities in a way that’s like kindness and love. That is obvious, but that doesn’t mean that you’re necessarily masterful at other things. 

It’s just how it is. We learn, and we grow. I feel like one of the main things we do on earth is actually to walk on our weak legs or deepen our strength by knowing it’s the opposite. In both cases, we take on something that’s very alien to us and challenging to us to expand and grow. A challenge for me might not be a challenge for someone like my wife. Certain things are challenges for me that are not challenging for her and vice versa. That’s okay. That’s how it is.

Well, it’s a big challenge you’re going through now.

Well, the main fear that I came to process in this life has some depth. I’ve processed so much, so it’s complicated. Fear can be a complex topic at this current moment in my life. My current struggle is trying to come to terms with navigating, which is really two types of work.

Sometimes, I’ve been able to interact with somebody non-physically in a way that I feel is helpful.

One is mainstream work within the mainstream business environment and the energies of that environment. The other is spiritual sharing, which works for me. I want to be responsible for my family, so I do the former and don’t charge anything. I don’t ask for money.

I’ve chosen to work, earn money, and then just try to give away what I can in teaching. But there’s an energetic cost to that. I remain sensitive in an environment of bureaucracy and inauthenticity at times, politics, and all the energetic demands of having many hours of meetings in a day, which is very challenging for me on a day-to-day basis. I would say that’s probably the main thing I struggle with now. 

I’m trying to play the human game all the way and not be afraid to do what’s hard. It is hard for me to actually do both. I only have certain physical resources. I have health challenges that other people may not have, and I have energy limitations, especially because I’m so sensitive. When you have high sensitivity, process a lot of information, and are open to spirit, routine action can have a wider bandwidth and require more energy. I fall into that category, which makes day-to-day demands potentially challenging for me.

When you’re connecting with people, you’re connecting with nature, animals, and everything else. Do you find some of that to be draining, and that lowers your energy?

Oh, no. That’s very rejuvenating. The connection of spirit is rejuvenating. You could think of it like vibrational resonance in simple terms because I have to resonate down into the mean vibration, meaning the average or the middle, the median vibration of a place or a group or a company or whatever, to really be there and interact. At least, that’s been my experience.

Individuals may be masterful as souls in certain ways, such as kindness and love.

That can be draining for me because I’m energetically sensitive and because I feel everything, and I am processing it all. So there can be a challenge there. But no, returning to the connectedness is wonderful and peaceful and life-giving. You know, when I do a session with someone, or even when I do a talk like this, I feel rejuvenated. I feel strengthened by it.

It’s all learning. You know, I’m going through my lessons, too, on all this. What I’ve found to be helpful, rejuvenating and reconnecting is while I’m in the midst of something that could be difficult or lower vibration, I just wave at God in a metaphorical way. In my using my third eye, imagine an emoji of a wave or the hands together emoji of thank you. I just want to keep a connection going so that I can be in both worlds simultaneously, this world and the upper worlds.

One comment that comes to mind, as you say, is that just since you invited the intuitive share. Be cognizant of any negative self-perceptions that you are assuming are real as the challenges arrive.

Give me an example of that.

If you have a challenge that arises and it makes you feel bad, you might actually be buying into a perception of powerlessness or unworthiness without even recognizing it. And then it’s when we bind to the negative self-perceptions that fear arises. And then the ego and all the shenanigans rise out of that. However, the negative self-perception at the root is actually not true. As spiritual beings, we are powerful, completely free, and loving. That is our true nature. We’re completely worthy. We’re completely free.

We’re more powerful than we could possibly imagine. So if we’re in a low-vibration environment, we don’t have to meet them where they’re at. We can just show up with our light, and then everything changes. We’re not changing them. We’re just changing everything.

I absolutely agree with that. Suppose we can show up in person and on our own. I don’t like using the duality terms higher and lower, but higher vibration. If we arrive with a higher vibration, that is actually a service. But what I meant by the draining aspect, in my case, I was thinking of a lower astral example, but that’s probably too abstract if you go to a place where the average vibration is.

Okay, I’ve had lots of psychics on the show.

If you go to an environment, whether physical or non-physical, with a certain average vibration, it tends to pull you into it. That’s all I’m saying. Because even the collective consciousness of humanity. Especially the collective consciousness of humanity has an average vibrational level. And it’s actually very low in comparison to the higher realms. So, that’s one of the reasons why peak experiences tend to wane.

When you have high sensitivity, process a lot of information, and are open to spirit, routine action can have a wider bandwidth and might require more energy.

Suppose we come up and have this amazing STE (Spiritually Transformative Experience) or in your death experience. We feel love and connectedness over time and tend to return to the mean vibration, the average vibration of the earth, because we’re a part of the vibrational system, and the vibrations tend to equalize. But that’s also why we’re providing a valuable service by being higher. Vibration is achieved by being present with more love, openness, and authenticity. That is pulling, begging. I don’t know what the right word is. It’s coaxing, even.

You could say that the average vibration is up, too, and it is helping to free it. I don’t want to make it sound like, though, that the negative is a real thing. It’s not. There’s not really a duality going on. It’s actually pure love and joy and peace. That has temporarily lost itself in association with something that is not. It’s important to put it in this context. Because I’m not saying there’s a real spectrum, but what we’re doing here is losing ourselves in that form.

That’s like the name of the human game, believing, “Oh, I’m just the job.” And, “Oh, this person did this thing to me.” You know, “Oh, I don’t make enough money, whatever those perceptions might be.” And then losing our identity in those perceptions. Then, we get our self-worth tied in. You know that we don’t actually need to do that. But I’m not saying it’s easy to identify that and to feel it. It’s one of the reasons meditation is so important, by the way. Do not change topics too many times in one response. But meditation can really help us to find underneath all those stories that we think are so important today. All the denseness we really already are. Peace and joy right now. It’s very freeing.

It’s hard to like if you’re in the thick of it. And you don’t have that experience of being in peace and joy. It’s hard to imagine when you hear somebody talk about it. That’s the nature of reality.

The ego can even get really ticked off when someone says, “No, I’m mad. I’m angry. I’m miserable. Don’t tell me that’s nice, as well as peace and joy. I got pain.”

“How dare you?”

“How dare you tell me I’m love, peace, and joy?” I mean, it’s kind of ironic because it’s interesting. When you share a message of unconditional love, many ego responses may rise, but unconditional love is the truth. It’s the truth. But anyway, that’s okay. It’s okay that that happens. If you notice that in yourself, do you know what happens? Just notice yourself. Well, how do you think you don’t have that? 

How do you think that life has proven to you that you’re not worthy, that you’re not free, or that you’re not joyful and then be brave enough? It takes bravery, willingness, and humility to actually go in and feel that pain that you felt to feel that negative self-perception, to feel the trauma, and to heal it by going into it and saying, “You know what? I actually do feel this way. Wow.” That’s owning your own crap. When you do that, it takes a certain quality of intention to do it.

I just want to circle back on something you said earlier. You mentioned the word skeptical. “Try to stay a little skeptical and grounded.” I don’t consider those terms synonymous with each other, by the way.

They’re too different. 

Actually, I consider skeptical pretty low vibration. And if I dare say, even almost to the vibration of cynicism, I would.

Be cognizant of any negative self-perceptions that you are assuming are real as the challenges arrive.

Draw a significant distinction between skepticism and cynicism.

It’s almost like they’re two sides of the same coin. 

We can create a new, neutral term for skepticism. That means you don’t take things, don’t believe things immediately, and try to discern what is real and what is not. That’s important to do.

I hear where you’re coming from, but I’ve got something you may try on for size and see if it fits. It’s an expression. I forgot where I heard it from, but it’s the willing suspension of disbelief, and I resonate with that. I used to consider myself a skeptic, but now I feel like, “Ah, this fits me much better.” The willing suspension of disbelief. I’m not immediately discounting or looking at something with skepticism. I’m open-minded about it. I’m not immediately trusting it. But I suspended my disbelief.

I’m reminded of the mantra, so to speak, that Tom Campbell lives by when it comes to these topics. He says it’s important to remain open-minded and skeptical. Open-mindedness is the suspension of disbelief. That’s important, too. But they’re both important because we need to be open-minded, but we also need to be willing to discern. That can actually be really important even as we self-explore internally and meditate because the ego wants a quick fix. It wants a quick answer.

Tell me what to believe so I can feel better. I just want to believe something so my fears are washed away. It’s okay to pause and say, “You know what? I actually don’t know if that’s true. I actually don’t know if I live after my physical body dies, for instance. I actually don’t know if what I believe is real or not.” That’s scary. But it’s important because if we’re not willing to actually question, then we may not go and actually seek and explore the reality. The reality is really good news.

At the bottom of everything, it’s total peace, freedom, love, and joy. But until you get there, it’s okay if you’re like, “Okay. I don’t see that on the surface. I want to go find out. Go into the dark closet and find out.” Test reality. Test your own consciousness. Test your association with form, beliefs, identity, and story. Go spend the time looking at that. That requires both open-mindedness and whatever new word we can create—neutral skepticism in that context.

The ego wants a quick fix; it wants a quick answer.

I like discernment. You mentioned discerning.

It requires discernment.

You know, it’s funny; each word has a corresponding vibration. Or it’s the vibration that has a corresponding word. I don’t know which way it goes. However, the difference between gratitude and appreciation is a vibrational frequency. If you are grateful, that’s different from being appreciative. And if you are in appreciation, that’s different from being in gratitude. And I try to be in both.

That’s really cool that you say that. Spirit is ridiculously subtle and good at navigating broad spectrums of differentiation in vibration, meaning, and feeling. It’s very rich and nuanced. So, of course, one word to another in how it’s been used over human history is going to have a different vibration. Our whole collective consciousness has many, many, many forms that have built up beliefs, languages, symbols, words, and whatever else in the collective has meaning. And those meanings might even shift and change. For instance, I suspect, let’s just take something silly like the acronym lol, which has a different vibrational meaning to its nature now than it did 20 years ago because of all the history that’s gone into it.

Some symbols have lasted with us for thousands of years, and their meaning has shifted or become its own thing. Like in the astral, a thought form can become its own mass. So you might take an idea like Jesus or something, and you’ve got the man, the being Jesus, and then you’ve got the thought-form of the belief in Jesus. Even Christianity, which has different thought forms, might not be exactly the same thing. But anyway, that’s just a lengthy comment about your comments about different words having different vibrations. They definitely do. Every thought and every intention actually has its own pitch. So, yeah, it’s very nuanced.

Can you describe a thought form for our listeners?

I’ll use a metaphor to try to pick this because I know thought form might seem abstract. Okay, so one time I was in a meditation circle, and a woman in the circle said something about China, which has meaning to me because I lived in China earlier in this life, and I was in a meditative state, and I saw and heard and felt her thought about China, reach around the world and touch all that was China. I could see, I could perceive it. It had an energetic mass, you could say to it. So it was like a thing. It was like a stone or something that was thrown around the world, so to speak, energetically. And I was like, “Oh, my gosh.”

I knew intellectually that thought form was real and had mass, but I perceived it directly and tangibly. It was like, “Oh, my gosh. Every one of our thoughts and intentions is doing this.” So, in higher realms and thought-responsive realms, we tend to get thought forms presented to us that match vibrationally wherever we are, whatever we’re expecting, whatever we believe, and whatever the experience language needs to depict to us using those forms. 

In thought form, you could think of it as an object with a mass or momentum, a thought or an idea. Certain ideas or thoughts have been repeated so much that they have substantial mass in the human collective consciousness and in astral realms that may transcend even the human collective consciousness because we’re not to sound too abstract here, but we’re actually creating one of the creative acts we’re doing here without even knowing it is adding to thought-form, like adding to the thought-form library, you could say, just by living a novel experience, creating things, inventing things. And that reminds me of one other thing. I know this is going to sound tangential, and it’s pertinent to if you, in your whole lifetime, have one novel thought or one novel feeling that all that has never known before, your whole life has been worth it because you have added something to all that is some newness, some depth.

We’re on the leading edge of creation, as Abraham has.

This is the lead frontier. This is the messy, cool, hard, in-your-face, rigorous, high value, high efficiency, but potentially, apparently destructive frontier.

Creative destruction.

It only appears. Yeah, it appears like destruction, but yeah.

But it’s all beautiful and perfect and divinely orchestrated, but we don’t see it. You’re lucky to get a glimpse of it.

I wouldn’t use the word lucky. I’d be sensitive to that because that implies that you’re just stuck.

The distinction between words and vibrations. Lucky is not the right word to use. Fortunate is a better word. That’s a better vibration.

The higher self, the higher portion of you already sees very clearly. You are already up on the cliff looking over the whole forest. Even though you’re down in the trees, you might not be aware of it at the human level because that’s the name of the game, and you got lost in the trees. But if you let go of the trees, the beautiful higher view arises on its own.

When you have thoughts, formulate words from those thoughts and their vibrations. You’re trying to communicate telepathically to somebody, whether it’s a human or a being, a non-physical being, or an animal. There are animal communicators who are very successful at this. They communicate telepathically to the animal. We unknowingly do it with our pets.

We do it with each other.

She now that I’m taking her to the vet today. I didn’t do or say anything different, and she went and hid in the closet. They know. How do you communicate with animals using your abilities? Are there any awesome stories to share on that front?

No awesome stories in that area. I have a tree near my house that I like to hang out with. It’s half dead but quite vibrantly alive, energetically, anyway. So, this might be going a bit deeper than what you were asking, but it’s pertinent. So, the fundamental substrate of consciousness is the spirit itself. And what is? Spirit is connected. It’s all one thing. So then, what does spirit do? It intends. That means it moves in some way. Intention precedes all form, actually, all realities, all thought. It works through thought. It works through realities. I can then make it. I can wield an intention and decide what to do in this context.

Every day, we do that many, many times. The reason I’m saying that is that intention is the active ingredient both for manifestation and for telepathic communication. Because you could say, to put it in a metaphor, we’re all connected to the same database. And the higher self is always looking at the database, all of us. So we’re sending messages to each other, even if we’re not consciously aware of it. Sometimes, I might have a non-physical experience while my body sleeps when someone gives me a message. And I don’t know why.

Sometimes, it’s completely not. I can’t tell why it’s relevant. Maybe it’s irrelevant, at least in a way that I recognize. But we’re always connected and communicating with each other all the time. Because telepathy is normal communication, we’re not restricted to the physical. We have to throw sounds at each other, which is a ridiculous, inefficient process. In higher realms, we dump exactly what we’re thinking and feeling. Get exactly what we’re thinking and feeling. Or what they’re thinking and feeling. And it’s very full and complete, like a whole book. It doesn’t need to be like word, word, word. It’s more about what you’re experiencing and what I’m experiencing.

I’m saying all that in context. I don’t want to make this sound too oversimplified, but it’s as simple as dropping our form and association and issuing intention towards them. That intention might be through a thought or a message. And the more focus and clarity we have with it, the clearer it is, the more pointed it is. 

That’s also another manifestation. It works like that, too. Reality is always listening to us, too, and our intention is nudging the probabilities all the time versus lukewarm ego thought mutterings. They don’t have much oomph. But at the soul level, where we’re clear and where we’re focused and where we’re intentional, that is very powerful. So telepathy can occur there.

You mentioned how instantaneous it is and how it’s like a whole book, essentially all at once instead of a word at a time. And that reminded me of Rabbi Alon Anava’s near-death experience that he shared. It’s a viral video. It’s fascinating. And at one point, he was above his body, which was, it had passed at that point, and he was in a cab, or the body was in a cab, and he’s flying above the cab or being kind of pulled along with his body and just, I don’t know, some number of feet above the taxi. Well, at one point, he intersects. His soul intersects with an apartment building. He goes through that apartment building, and instantaneously, as he’s going through it, he knows all the thoughts of every single feeling, and not only there, thoughts and emotions and everything, their entire worldview and life history and who they are going.

All the stories. Yep.

All at once.

The pre-life review is like that, too. And that in the pre-incarnation state, it’s like an all-at-once review, 2 seconds or something, is how I compare it to review millions and millions of possibilities of how life might unfold. Spirit has a huge bandwidth, so this might be important to lift up as an individual. Your ability to know with a capital K may be big and wide. I’m going to think one thought about my sandwich, or I’m going to think this one philosophical thought today. And now I have the answer. No, it’s much bigger than that. Much wider bandwidth. 

It’s the difference between a one-bit-at-a-time telegraph and high-speed high bandwidth.

Internet connection. Exactly. It is like that. Spirit’s high-speed Internet connection is ridiculously big—ridiculously high bandwidth.

Another analogy I like to use is when I was shown the matrix, this illusion, in the middle of the night on January 22, 2021. It was like a terabyte or many terabytes of data being jammed into a one GB thumb drive. And, of course, I couldn’t retain it, so I was like grass.

Yeah, you can’t fit it on there.

It’s all gone. I don’t have any of it. I just know that I saw the true nature of reality.

The human body is like a tuna can. It’s just a small, dense, firm thing. You can’t fit the Library of Congress all the books in the tuna can, or even bigger, you can’t fit the earth in a tuna can. That is what it’s like. And then we’re like, “Oh, but I want to. I want to hold on to it.” Well, part of what’s limiting us is. 

There are the physical constraints, and there are the non-physical constraints of the veil. Those are important, too. But another thing is going on: we understand reality through a crude, clunky, simple form. It is very simple from the human point of view. So, to make sense of what we just received, that third thing can also limit how much we’re able to retain and integrate. 

What are some of the non-physical constraints of the veil?

The veil is a set of constraints on consciousness and in consciousness that permit us to focus entirely on the physical experience. So the veil primarily is an obscuring, like a partitioning maybe, but an obscuring that doesn’t 100% prevent, but it deeply obscures the memory of all that you are and the conscious access to all the knowing that is in the universe. Those two things are supreme, really one thing, but. And the connectedness and the feeling of live connectedness to everything else. So, it obscures those portions of our native being. And that is very, very alien to do that. It’s not common, not typical for us.

It’s like your right hand not realizing that the left hand is related.

Exactly. And then when they hurt each other, and then you’re like, “Oh, my gosh, I’m hurting myself. Why are you doing that?” It doesn’t make any sense to do that. Love is like that. It doesn’t make any sense to hurt anybody else. The veil is the constraint in consciousness that allows the vibrational, and the focus is down into this very low vibration where we don’t remember. That’s a simple way to describe that.

We believe in the illusion of separation.

That’s the name of the game. Believe in the illusion of separation and then learn. Integrate experience through it. Not learn intellectually. Well, there’s intellectual learning, too. Experientially learn through that experience of a parent separation. We’ve pushed the boundaries really far. This is as far as we’ve gone in the depth of separation. This universe is super separate and very unique—extreme sports for the spirit.

We’re doing the American ninja warrior thing in the universe.

Yes, to put it lightly.

I interviewed a guy named Joe McQuillen, who wrote a book about his experience of losing his son and having a psychic connection with that son. He described what he calls thin places where the veil is thinner, such as in his son’s room. And there are times, as well, when he calls that also a thin place. So, 3 AM, in the middle of the night, for him in his son’s room is a thin place. So, for me, and I think for a lot of people, Jerusalem is a thin place, or even just Israel generally, is one of the thinnest places as far as where the veil between this world and the upper world is thinnest. I’m curious to hear your thoughts on all that.

I agree. But there are no places. I mean that what you’re describing, I feel, is a vibrational difference. There’s a vibrational difference in the meaning. Like we were talking about, words have vibrations. The meaning, the memory of the child’s room, is vibrationally different. Jerusalem, with millions of people having utilized that place in a certain way and pursued the divine through their traditions in that place, is a vibrational difference. 

It’s not so much that there are places and that the veil is a physical thing; it overlays all these places. Though the physical, of course, does have its own. The physical has its own properties. And I’m not saying there aren’t energetic differences between places.  I’m just pointing out that, really, what we’re talking about is a shift in vibration. And so, basically, when we’re in higher vibration or when we’ve given ourselves a permission slip in the world of form, we tend to be less.

It’s not that the veil is gone. It’s just that we are vibrationally lifted closer to our true nature. And that is a thinner veil because the closer we are vibrationally, the more we have access to, the more we feel, the more we know, and the more we can touch. You could say the veil is porous or organic. It’s not like it hard cuts you off. It’s just obscuring. All it does is obscure, so you focus on the movie really hard. That’s all it does. But if you stop focusing on the movie hard, then.

Then you realize you’re in a movie theater.

You realize you’re in a movie theater. That’s exactly what it is. And you’re like, “Oh, well, I’m still veiled because that movie is really bright.” And then you get sucked right back in because it’s really bright, and it’s got your attention. It doesn’t have to have your attention. It’s just that most people, numerically, don’t typically go and spend the time to meditate every day for years, to go find out, to explore their consciousness beneath all thought because the thought is part of the movie. It’s like, “I’m this. I got to do this.” Like, “I was just at work before this,” and my mind was full of many thoughts about work. I spent 30 minutes meditating and returning to not losing my identity in the thoughts about work.

Good for you. Yeah, meditation sucks.

Not that that’s easy all the time.

Oh, my goodness. The hour flew by. So first of all, you’re welcome back anytime. This is a fascinating discussion. If you want to return for a part two at any point, I would love to have you.

Thank you, sir.

But also, I love what you’re up to in the world. I want to acknowledge you for what you’re contributing in terms of the revelation of light into the world. If our listener or viewer wants to learn more from you, where do you want to send them? Of course, you got your book and so forth, like a website address or social media account.

My website is awalkinthephysical.com. The book has the same name, A Walk in the Physical. The website has a book page where the third link is down. The entire book is available to be read online for free. It’s not about money. I just want to share. Also, that site has a collection of many different talks I’ve participated in. If it’s an interesting subject for someone to help with, regarding the thanks, I want to thank you because you mentioned love. I can feel your love. It’s a beautiful man. I would trust you right off the bat. You’re just a trustworthy, beautiful person. So, thank you so much for the work you’re doing in the world and your presence. Don’t doubt yourself, and let me know if there’s any way I can help.

Thank you so much, Christian. And thank you, listener. You, too, are a light in the world. Go out there and make it a beautiful week. We’ll catch you in the next episode. I’m your host, Stephan Spencer, signing off.

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