An Introduction to Medical Intuition with Tina Zion

In this Episode

• [00:30]tephan‌ ‌introduces‌ ‌Tina‌ ‌Zion,‌ ‌an‌ ‌intuitive‌ ‌medium,‌ ‌internationally-acclaimed‌ ‌
  instructor,‌ ‌author‌ ‌of‌ ‌medical‌ ‌intuition‌ ‌books,‌ ‌and‌ ‌a‌ ‌faculty‌ ‌member‌ ‌of‌ ‌holistic‌ ‌
  organizations‌ ‌and‌ ‌healing‌ ‌centers.‌
• [05:34]Tina‌ ‌talks‌ ‌about‌ ‌a‌ ‌client‌ ‌who‌ ‌had‌ ‌an‌ ‌energetic‌ ‌rope‌ ‌around‌ ‌her‌ ‌neck.
• [09:20]‌What‌ ‌telepathy‌ ‌is‌ ‌and‌ ‌how‌ ‌we‌ ‌all‌ ‌possess‌ ‌this‌ ‌ability.‌
• [14:48]‌Tina‌ ‌reminds‌ ‌us‌ ‌that‌ ‌we‌ ‌are‌ ‌not‌ ‌victims‌ ‌of‌ ‌the‌ ‌non-physical‌ ‌world.
• [19:19]‌‌Tina‌ ‌shares‌ ‌that‌ ‌bedsores‌ ‌are‌ ‌caused‌ ‌by‌ ‌energy‌ ‌beginning‌ ‌to‌ ‌loosen‌ ‌from‌ ‌the‌ ‌
  spinal‌ ‌cord.
• [23:55]Tina’s‌ ‌abilities‌ ‌skyrocketed‌ ‌when‌ ‌she‌ ‌took‌ ‌the‌ ‌pop‌ ‌as‌ ‌an‌ ‌absolute‌ ‌truth.‌
• [28:06]‌Stephan‌ ‌talks‌ ‌about‌ ‌his‌ ‌‌interview‌ ‌with‌ ‌Karen‌ ‌Noé‌.‌
• [33:46]‌Tina‌ ‌talks‌ ‌about‌ ‌how‌ ‌she‌ ‌heals‌ ‌other‌ ‌people.‌
• [38:09]‌‌Why‌ ‌Tina‌ ‌only‌ ‌works‌ ‌with‌ ‌the‌ ‌divine‌ ‌and‌ ‌sacred.‌
• [42:48]Stephan‌ ‌talks‌ ‌about‌ ‌his‌ ‌car‌ ‌crash‌ ‌back‌ ‌in‌ ‌his‌ ‌early‌ ‌20s.‌
• [46:18]‌‌Negative‌ ‌entities‌ ‌are‌ ‌always‌ ‌weaker‌ ‌than‌ ‌us.
• [48:40]Visit‌ ‌Tina‌ ‌Zion’s‌ ‌‌website‌‌ ‌to‌ ‌learn‌ ‌more‌ ‌about‌ ‌her‌ ‌services.‌ ‌Then,‌ ‌check‌ ‌the‌ ‌
  schedule‌ ‌of‌ ‌her‌ ‌workshops‌ ‌on‌ ‌the‌ ‌website.‌ ‌Finally,‌ ‌read‌ ‌her‌ ‌books‌ ‌and‌ ‌watch‌ ‌out‌ ‌for‌ ‌her‌ ‌
  next‌ ‌release‌ ‌on‌ ‌October‌ ‌1.

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Tina, it’s so great to have you on the show.

Thank you so much. Thank you, Stephan, for having me. My goodness.

We’ve been working together for a little while. You’re mentoring me on this medical intuition discipline, which is really amazing. Last year, if you would’ve tried to convince me that I would be learning medical intuition, I would’ve said, no way.

Really? You don’t say.

Yeah. Let’s, first of all, explain to our listener or viewer what is medical intuition and what is a medical intuitive?

Intuition, in general, is about noticing. It’s not really a skill. It’s simply noticing very, very subtle information about the world around us.

Okay. Well, intuition in general is about noticing. It’s not really a skill. It’s simply noticing very, very subtle information about the world around us, from other people, or experiences—that kind of thing. Medical intuition though is really using that ability to work with ourselves or to be a practitioner for others. It is simply about not just picking up someone’s general life story, but it’s also receiving information about what is causing their physical illness or their struggles in life, negative patterns that keep repeating, and things like that. 

It’s much more focused, and then I also teach people about really how to perceive inside of their own body and inside of other people’s bodies to really get even a deeper level of information about what is going on, what’s the energy doing in that particular organ or that particular joint. That’s really how I would define it. It’s very, very detailed, very specific, and very wonderful, I think. I love it.

It’s such an incredible gift. Is this something that you need permission to scan somebody else? Are you just walking down the street and you have x-ray vision like Superman and you can see that, oh my goodness, that person has a tumor growing in their body or this person is about to have a widow-maker heart attack. That’s something that I think is a misconception from a lot of people that somebody who has this kind of superpower can just see through you without permission.

I’m a maniac about never doing this level of work without permission. I just pound and pound that during my courses and workshops because there’s nothing more intimate than doing medical intuition for someone else or ourselves, but also, without permission, it’s invasive. 

I want to emphasize that it’s not a gift. I don’t have any special gifts at all.

I really want to emphasize that it’s really not a gift. I don’t have any special gifts at all. I just spontaneously began to do that while I was giving Reiki sessions back in the early 1990s. We are very, very powerful and people don’t really realize how powerful we humans really are. We must take great, great care not to abuse our abilities when we realize that we have these abilities.

All right. What would be an example of having this kind of ability, which as you said is something that we all possess? It’s not a special unique gift that only a few possess. It’s all of us. What would be an example of a situation where maybe from your experience, your life—of course keeping things anonymous for the client’s protection—but also maybe a student of yours and an amazing outcome that happened because they were able to spot some sort of issue before it became life-threatening?

Let’s see, I just see who pops in and what just popped in is a woman and this is very, very telling. When people say that they’ve gone to every clinic in every specialty area. They’ve gone to Cleveland Clinic, the Mayo Clinic, and all these things and no one can find anything so that always is a signal to me that there’s something on that energetic level going on. 

Just one example is when a woman came in. She had been to all those clinics and she said her head keeps getting pulled over to the right. I looked intuitively with her permission because she was actually sitting in my office and I saw a rope around her neck—an energetic rope around her neck.

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I followed the rope back and there was a man standing at the other end of the rope and he was not trying to kill her or anything. I told her that and I described the man that I perceived and she said, “You just very, very specifically described my husband.” I just asked my guides, “Well, what would be the best healing to happen right now for this situation? Because she had spent thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars trying to come to an understanding and a healing about this.”

When I asked my guides, they actually said do not take the rope off of her neck. “She must do it for herself, but first, she must follow the rope back and talk to her husband right now.”  This is on the energetic level. I said, “I will be quiet until you speak.” She was quiet for quite a long time. She finally said, okay. I said, “What happened?” Because I didn’t interfere. I could’ve looked and watched them and heard them and things like that. But it was a very private time for them. 

I pulled back out of the way, and she said we talked it over. He was just pulling back on me because he was afraid that I’m getting into this spiritual stuff, and he was afraid that he would lose me. I said, “Well the rope is still around your neck. Do you choose to take that off? Do you need that anymore? Does he need it anymore?” No, so she energetically took it off and she’s not had any trouble before. I love that example because it’s about relationships too. It’s also about how powerful we are on the energetic level that ends up on the physical level of things.

Amazing. What happened in the relationship between her and her husband? Did they have a breakthrough and new evolution of their relationship?

Yes. She went back and talked to him on the physical level and told him what happened. They had just a wonderful understanding about it, so it made a big difference in their relationship.

That’s amazing. You said a few things I want to circle back on in the story. One was you could have heard them if you had chosen to. Does that mean that you’re able to listen to people’s thoughts, or does that mean that you’re picking up just on a vibration or you’re actually hearing the words in the conversation between them? How is that working? That sounds like a specific different kind of psychic ability and not just medical intuition.

Well, that’s a good point. Telepathy is truly thought of leaping back and forth. We all have the ability to be telepathic. To me, that’s just one of the primary pathways to receive intuitive information because when we talk to our spirit guides, it’s telepathic thought jumping back and forth because every single word that we think and then every single sentence that we think is actually an electrical charge. It’s an electrical spurt that surges through our bodies. Every single word runs through our body in an electronic way. Then it also shoots out into our aura or energy field and then out to the universe.

If we tune in we are very, very naturally telepathic because we’re just simply receiving electrical frequencies of thought is really what it is. That’s part of my answer, but the other part of my answer is in this example. We are also very, very elastic. We’re very stretchy. Our aliveness is not a step down underneath our skin. We can stretch and in fact, that’s astral projection. That’s remote viewing. We are literally stretching our energy field out. We’re not leaving our physical body or we would die. The body would die but we are very stretchy.

Our aliveness is not a step down underneath our skin. We can stretch.

I could’ve stretched back just like that follow the rope, I just stretched back my energy field and followed that rope to who’s on the other end of the rope. I could’ve remained there and actually at least heard bits and pieces of it, if not every word. Again, I really want to emphasize, when people realize how powerful we are and we have all these abilities very naturally, most people just don’t notice it. But we have to take even greater care not to abuse these abilities.

Something that I just intuitively knew from a very young child even though I was agnostic and almost atheistic for my first 42 years, I knew not to think hateful thoughts of wishing the worst on somebody. I just knew not to do it. You just don’t do that. Wishing somebody was dead or wishing they had a car crash or whatever because they just cut you off the road. I just knew never ever do that. 

I’m not sure how I knew that but my guess is that it was just carried over from past life memories and understandings. In the studying that I’m doing this year, I’ve come to the understanding that if you learn something in this lifetime, you get to carry it over if it’s a spiritual lesson or learning. Whereas if you’re learning a skill, let’s say, how to program on the computer or something like that, that’s not something that you carry over into the next lifetime. But these spiritual lessons and learning are any thoughts on that?

Yes, because we are in the process of development. Hopefully, it doesn’t always happen, but hopefully, we gain in our awareness with each lifetime and that we do carry that over. But what we also carry from the past life is trauma, tremendous emotion like fear, agony, hate, that kind of thing, or any traumatic moment. We’ll tend to carry that into our current life because those emotions such as guilt, shame, terror, that great fear have a very dense, very slow sluggish energy. It tends to be (I guess a good word for it is) sticky. It does tend to cling and get more condensed. We can carry that forward into our current lives. In fact, that’s one of the causes of illness that I’ve found over and over again.

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Another thing that you’ve found, correct me if I’m misstating this but, you’ve told me that one of the big causes of illness relates to an entity or a discarnated soul interfering with us unnaturally. You’re walking through the park or something and you get messed with essentially. You’re not just catching the rays and then one of those sunbeams just randomly breaks the DNA in just the wrong place and then the cancer cells are created because the cell can no longer kill itself and then just keeps replicating. 

It’s not random. It’s caused by outside forces that are intelligent forces. Is that a good summary of what you were explaining to me earlier?

Well, I would want for your listeners to really realize that we’re not victims though to the nonphysical world. Just like here on earth, there are bad guys and there are good guys so to speak. In the spirit realm, in the nonphysical realm, there are good guys and bad guys as well. If you’re walking to the park in your example and you maybe drink a little bit too much, you might attract someone in spirit who died of alcoholism. But they are still here on earth, they have not crossed over. Most of the time, they don’t even know that they are deceased.

They’ll just find somebody with that like vibration and hang around that person. Then the spirit person feels the feeling of alcohol, and the living person gets more focused on alcohol because they have the interference of a deceased person hanging around with them. But in the same way, there are the good guys too in the spirit realm. My point of this would be we are not victims. Especially, the more aware we get that we’re actually spirits. Right now, Stephan, as you and I sit here, your aliveness is your eternal soul, your spirit of aliveness, and the same with me.

In the spirit realm, in the nonphysical realm, there are good guys and bad guys as well.

We’re not victims of this. We are a spirit in the physical world, but there are spirits in the nonphysical world right here standing in an intersection when we drive down the road, in the grocery store, or just whatever because we are nonphysical at the exact same time that we’re physical. The nonphysical world we’re part of it right now. I don’t want people to ever be afraid of it at all. In fact, I want people to get more in charge of what they’re doing, more in charge of themselves. That makes me smile even when I talk about it.

Yeah.

Every time I’m noticing.

One person who comes to mind—a really amazing person who is now back in the nonphysical world—is Edgar Cayce. He was able to channel his higher self. The part of his soul that was up in the heavens, that we all have part of our soul that’s up in the heavens—our higher self or light avatars, other aspects of our soul. Then there’s part of our soul that’s attached to our physical bodies through a silver cord. 

If something happens to our physical body and the body doesn’t make it, then that silver cord disattaches the soul and then we fully unite with the higher part of our soul that’s up in the heavens. That’s my understanding of it. 

If you look at Edgar Cayce’s work, he was able to share such profundity, such observations, wisdom, and also prophecies that have been very accurate. Instead of channeling someone else, he was channeling himself with his higher self. That’s who comes to mind as somebody who is truly very connected to his “higher self” in such a way that really helped many, many people. There’s even an organization that’s still around. It’s called the ARE. It’s nonprofit and it’s all about Edgar Cayce’s teachings and everything.

I would say too, I’ve been privileged to be with people when they are passing when they are leaving their physical body. It’s actually very, very beautiful and maybe not the illness that led them to leave their physical body. But once that disconnection begins to happen, it is like a blessing. What I keep seeing, since you brought up the silver cord, is I always see the silver cord attached to the base of the spine, of our spinal cord right at our tail bone.

Someone who is ill for a very long time and they’re getting closer and closer to leaving their body, actually, the skin and the tissue right there at the tailbone area starts to fall apart and the skin gets thin. They call it bedsore, decubitus ulcer. The reason is that the energy is beginning to loosen from the spinal cord. I find that very, very interesting. I’ve seen it over and over again over the years.

That goes back to your point about the causes of illness are not purely physical. They have a root that is tied into, let’s say, an emotion, a past life experience, or something that’s happening in the nonphysical realms, such as what you’re describing of the silver cord slowly disconnecting. 

I always see the silver cord attached to our spinal cord right at our tail bone.

Now, you’d said something earlier too that I want to bring up. You were just checking to see who popped in then you talked about that one case example with the woman and the rope. How does that work when stuff just pops in? Because I know a bit about just intuition generally. An intuitive hit is something that comes in unexpectedly. It’s charge neutral. There’s no anxiety or excitement or anything. It just simply is. It doesn’t lead anywhere from thought to thought to thought. It just stays there. 

Those are the hallmarks of an intuitive hit that’s coming from above or from your higher self, your angels, or guides is my understanding of it. How do you increase that capability to have things pop in, so that’s part one? How do you get more popping? Secondly, how do you follow through on these things? Because a lot of people just, me included, I used to brush it off. I had somebody pop into my mind. That’s somebody I hadn’t thought about for a long time. Then I wouldn’t do anything with it.

Now, I know better. But before I didn’t. I didn’t realize what intuition truly was. If you could cover those two aspects the…

Popping.

Yeah, and then how to take action on those pops?

Okay. Well, I always call it. People tell me I should get bumper stickers made that say, ‘Take the pop.’ I always say that because it’s the instant piece of information, kind of out of nowhere like somebody that you know just suddenly pops into your mind. Well, what that tells me is you had no thought about that person beforehand so that person just thought of you. Again, it’s that telepathic information. Mostly, 80% of the human population just blow it off and think, I wonder why I thought about that person. We don’t realize that we are interconnected in all kinds of ways. Our communication is very, very interconnected.

What leaps in instantly will always be the clearest piece of intuitive information.

The reason I say I take the pop when things just leap in out of nowhere with that feeling of out of nowhere, that’s the way to tell that it’s not your intellectual mind. It’s not your logical analytical mind trying to sort things out. Because what leaps in instantly will always be the clearest piece of intuitive information, and then a couple of split seconds after that, then our logical brains start trying to figure it out, sort it out, or blow it off as nothing, which is what most people do.

That’s really why I really ask people, when I teach people how to be more aware of subtle, is always to take the pop. The more we notice and distinguish between the pop and then our analytical brain tries to figure it out or blow it off, ignore it or just think it’s nothing. That’s the way to really hear it. 

When I decided, years and years ago, to take the pop as an absolute truth, my abilities just skyrocketed. I started to notice. Really, I tell people all I do is teach people how to notice the very, very subtle. That’s really intuition and really the basis of what I hope to get across to people is that popup information. When I decide that is an absolute truth on some level, it just really skyrocketed after that.

Right, and this applies not just to things coming in unexpected, the intuitive hits. Let’s say somebody comes to mind, and then I end up calling them, and it turns out that it’s exactly the right timing. Maybe I even save that person’s life or help them do something really important. 

The other aspect of this is that you can ask questions of the Creator, of your guidance, of the angels, and so forth. Then the first answer you get—that first immediate answer—is the right answer. It can defy all logic. It can be something that, how can I possibly know that, and where is that coming from? It just seems completely made up, but it’s not. It’s coming from above. That’s proven itself to me time and time again. It’s really, really beautiful. 

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In fact, what I’ve come to discover and experience is that I don’t even have to finish the sentence. I’m asking the question in my mind, but I’m in for the first, second, or third word and I already hear the answer. 

You’re right, yes. 

That’s a little bit discombobulating at the beginning, but it makes total sense because in order to formulate the sentence, I had to have the question already formulated. So that’s what’s being heard by guides, ascended masters, angels, and the Creator. 

Yes. The reason, again, to take that pop is that our logical mind just didn’t have time to even try to figure it out. It will always be the most precious and most accurate piece of information, and it will come in spontaneously. We call it synchronicity, but most people call it whatever and they just discount it. 

One of my clients last week was driving her car and she asked her guides a question. She sent me a photo of it, a big bright pink truck pulled from another lane in front of her as she’s driving down the road. The answer was painted on the side of the truck. I can’t remember what the answer was, but she said that was the answer, and it came to her in a pop, but also in the physical level of things, things will pop in like that. 

There are no coincidences.

Most people will say, oh, that was a coincidence. There are no coincidences. This was meant to be that bright pink. It was a big panel truck. I wish I could remember what the words were, but there was an answer on a physical level. We tend not to even give it any credit. Something on a physical level too. 

It’s so fun when you get these answers that are in a song when you just turn on the radio or something that is seemingly completely unrelated. But if you think of this life more as a movie or simulation and the director, all the video editors, and so forth are working on the movie as it’s being played out by you as the star of the movie, that makes it a lot easier to kind of wrap your head around it. 

I needed that answer right away, so let’s change what’s going to be on the radio to be the thing that answers the question. A great example of this that comes to mind, I interviewed Karen Noé recently. She’s fabulous, what a great soul. What a great human, what a great soul. She’s so amazing. 

Anyway, she is, of course, a psychic medium—a very very well-known one. She shared a story on the podcast of clients where the woman had lost her quadruplets and this was in the course of the pregnancy and not after birth. Then Karen got a message that, first of all, all four of the souls are doing just fine. No problems over there on the other side, and secondly, two of them are coming back because she saw a license plate on the road. It was a license plate with two quads. That was the license plate, the number two and quads spelled out.

It’s like a big truck. 

Yeah, and she knew instantly like, okay, two of them are coming back. Sure enough, she had twins. At the time, Karen couldn’t have known this just on a physical level. She called the client and told her what happened, and that two of them were coming back. She’s like, yeah, I actually haven’t told you this yet, but I’m carrying twins. There you go.

That’s amazing, isn’t it? I love these stories. I hope sharing these stories with your listeners helps to normalize them in many ways. 

It’s not some freak ability. It’s nothing to be scared of. It’s nothing to persecute others for. Because back in the day, people would get killed for talking about this stuff. 

Yes. In fact, those past lives that we’ve had back in the day when there was so much persecution. Again, many times that past life is one of the primary causes of somebody struggling, and here’s my example of that persecution that we really don’t have anymore, but so many people carry that fear of getting more intuitive.

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In fact, this is one of the blocks that people struggle with the most is they have been persecuted or mostly killed in a past life and that terror comes forward with them. They want so much to be a medical intuitive or a medium, and they can’t figure out what’s holding them back. I see some crazy, horrible past life that’s causing that, and again that sticky, dense energy comes forward with them. 

Let me share a story about that because it’s coming in really wildly. I sat with a woman just like you and I are doing right now. I was about to start the session, and energetically her head rose up like this and just started floating away. I was more new with this and so I wasn’t sure what to do. I just willed it back and kind of stuck her head back on her physical body, and then it lifted up again and started floating away again. 

Here’s something that’s very interesting that I find that I say the craziest things to people (kind of like this). Anyway, I described this to her, do you know what she said? She said, “I never feel like my head is attached to my body.” What I hope the listeners hear is that the crazy thoughts that they might have had an origin. 

In this case, she’s never felt like her head was attached to her body because she brought so much of being beheaded from a past life. I actually saw her in a guillotine situation and she brought that tear forward. That gave her all kinds of physical illness here in her neck and throat area were really a lot of the problems. 

Even if you have strange feelings or weird feelings, there’s some truth in there.

This beautiful healing came forward and happened, and it’s made such a big difference in her life and her physical life currently. For some reason, that was coming through very strongly, so I thought, okay, well, I’ll mention that. But I think it’s a good example of even if you have strange feelings or weird feelings. There’s some truth in there. Notice it on an intuitive nonphysical level.

When you’re doing healing for somebody, like in that situation, you’re helping her to heal her neck and throat issues and to feel more connected between her heart and her head. Is this something that you just make your hands glow with energy and then just zap or something—I know the answer to this, of course—or are you somehow keeping yourself out of it to protect you from any kind of taking on the negative stuff and you are calling in the specialists? They’re energetic specialists. They’re doing the heavy lifting for you? Of course, I know what the answer is, but our listener doesn’t yet.

Actually, I would have to say there are multi-level responses about that that I can give. It depends on what the situation is; it depends on what is going on with your physical client. All that depends on a lot of things.

If I am told by my divine and sacred guides to back out of there, I pull, because again we’re stretchy so I bring myself back through a filter—a cleansing filter that is actually provided for me by the divine sacred guides—and I bring my energy back off, cleaned off, and just put it back inside of me.

All we do is have to think these things because even some of the great universities like Princeton and Harvard universities are doing all kinds of research about these things. It’s coming up more and more in science all over the place, that energy follows our human thoughts. We just think it and the energy will happen. 

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Anyway, that just brings me back all cleaned off and just puts me back into me, if that’s what I’m directed. The divine and sacred in this case where the woman’s head lifted up and kept floating away (kind of makes me chuckle). What happened is I called out and asked what is the greatest most profound healing right now for this woman? 

This is only one example of what can happen. This beautiful, very feminine hand came through in the air. I told the woman what was happening as it was happening, and it was this golden thread that stitched her head back onto her body. It was just beautiful. I have seen that hand more than once with golden thread remove things out of people and then stitch them back up. All kinds of healing can happen. 

I get goosebumps when you’re talking about these angel bumps, I could say. I get angel bumps when you’re talking about that situation.

I love that. I love angel bumps, I like that. That’s beautiful. Let’s talk about angel bumps. When that happens for me as I’m working with somebody, I will stop and tell them and I and I’ll say it’s a signal that my guides give me that we’re touching in with a really deep level of truth for each other. 

It’s validation from above. 

Validation, absolutely. 

That’s awesome. 

The answer to your question would be it depends on the individual. About what I am told to do, how much I participate, how much I pull out and let the divine and sacred participate. 

If you participate like a typical—I’m over-generalizing here, but let’s say—a new energy worker who comes home exhausted at the end of the day because he or she has taken on some of the energy, some of the emotions, and just the baggage from their clients through the day. That can really drain them. It doesn’t have to be that way. 

You can call in divine and sacred beings who specialize in that particular person and that particular person’s ailments and have them do the heavy lifting. Then you sit or stand behind that filter, that crystal window, or whatever it is that’s protecting you, especially if there are dark entities involved. They’re still in the mix and you definitely want to stay clear of them and not accidentally take them home with you.

Exactly, yes. Well, a couple of things. Lots and lots of my clients, especially those who do energy work like Reiki, healing touch, quantum touch, for all kinds of reasons, are sending their own physical energy into the client. I’ve had my clients say, “Oh, I’ve worked on someone, and I was terribly sick, and I was in bed for three days.” I’ve had lots of people say that. The three-day thing too repeats. 

What they’ve done, I’m just watching when they tell me that, is that they’re giving their essence away when in fact that we will be more profound healers if we step out of the way. Like you said, I really insist on I only work with the divine and sacred level of healers, intuitives, and assistance. Because like here on Earth, there are different levels. 

I only will work with the divine and sacred.

My dad was a plumber, so there are different levels of plumbing, there are different levels of everything nowadays. That’s the same in the spirit realm, I only will work with the divine and sacred. Get out of the way, don’t use your own essence. You fill yourself up with Reiki, quantum touch, or whatever you’re doing, and you send that in. 

The other thing I’m running around all over the world trying to tell intuitives and mediums is that when we do this level of work, we’re connecting them with another person and no one is removing themselves after each session. I think that’s what you’re thinking about also. 

I call out for a cleansing filter to be provided for me, and then at the end of every session, I bring me and only me back to me clean and clear through that filter provided for me. I bring our stretchy energy. I pull it back, all I do is take it and inhale it back in all cleaned off so it’s simply the purest of us. Those two things don’t send your own living essence into people trying to help them. You become more of an open pipeline to do this work and bring yourself back cleaned off after you do a session. My answer would be kind of a two-fold situation.

Yeah, that reminds me of back in 2012, I was at a Tony Robbins event in India. That’s where I had my first big spiritual awakening. I was agnostic prior to that, this was October of 2012. I got touched on the head by a monk—a oneness monk—and I had this really trippy experience. It was amazing, beautiful, and incredible. It was like an LSD trip where everything was in technicolor. Afterward, I felt the deepest sense of peace and connection to all that is. It was incredible. 

One thing I learned also that relates to this discussion that we’re just having is I learned how to give Deekshas while I was at that event as well. The monks taught us how to be a oneness blessing giver. 

The way that it happens is you stand in front of the person, you put your hands on their head, and you are praying for them, but you’re pulling in divine grace from above. You’re just the conduit for it. It’s going right through your hands into that person and the more you pray for that person, the more that you want it for that person, the more divine grace gets pulled from above and through you into that person. 

When I did this two months later to my now wife, Orion, who you just met through having an interview on her show, on Stellar Life. When I did that for her 5 or 10 minutes after meeting her at an event called Date with Destiny, she happened to be my date with destiny. It’s a personal development event, not a dating event. 

It turned out to be so much more for me. I knew within minutes because I had prayed for her as if she was my soulmate as I’m giving her this Deeksha, this oneness blessing. I knew before she did that, she’s the one. So I had gotten a ring, and I had proposed to her nine days later. I told her I love you 18 hours after meeting her, and she said it back. I was so sure there was nothing I could be more sure about, was that she was the one and still is. 

It’s just amazing that these sorts of miraculous moments, you look back on them and say, oh, now that makes sense in so many other ways how I walked away from my car crash in my early 20s without a scratch when I likely would have died. That was angelic intervention. That was my guardian angels saving me because it wasn’t my time yet. 

Looking back on these things, learning how to pass divine grace from above through me when I was such a newbie and not even a week into being spiritual after a lifetime of almost atheism. It was so good to just have that intuitive hit or that otherworldly guidance that no, don’t give it from your essence. Give it from love. 

That’s one of the most beautiful stories I’ve ever heard. I love that. That’s so special for you to share that. 

Yeah, it was so special to receive it as an experience of my life, and I’m just always so grateful for it and for all the after effects. The blessings that came through that, for example, our amazing little son, who you might hear in the background. This is a pretty good mic so it does filter out. 

It’s incredible all these synchronicities, all these magic moments that lead to our destiny. What would have needed to happen for her to show up at that exact moment when there were thousands of people at the event. It’s not about logic, you can’t logic this out.

No, but it’s all about noticing it in that synchronistic way, that it’s just us being in the universe and that interconnectedness. These special, special moments, they’re magical, but they’re truly the way the universe works if we get out of our way. Mostly, we need to get out of the way. 

Again, you said it’s so beautiful. I really want to say this again. That intuitives, mediums, medical intuitives that we should not give our own essence in a healing. We become the conduit for the divine and sacred, and then we should be energized after these moments with other people, these moments of healing too. We should be energized, and if we’re not, we get in the way.  

My whole body gets electric, like the angel bumps are on steroids. When I call in these divine and sacred beings who specialize in this person, their ailments, and the healing that’s required. It’s amazing. It’s otherworldly, it’s beautiful. 

You can have a conversation with them. you can ask them to show you things like the point of origin. This is all stuff you taught me and so incredible. Show me the point of origin of this particular issue, cancer, whatever it was and then you can see in your mind’s eye, oh, this person was walking in the grass and they were interfered with by some negative entity. Then you can get that healed by just asking that being to do it for you and you just watch. Ask them to let you see the healing happen. It’s beautiful. 

I would also add to that too that negative entities—as we would call them, either negative deceased people or negative non-human things—are not more powerful than we are. If they were so powerful, they wouldn’t need to glom on to us and try to take some of our energy.

Feed off of us like a Duracell battery. I remember the scene from the Matrix movie where Neo was being shown the Duracell battery, this is who we are in this life. 

You’re right. I forgot about that. I want everybody to hear those what we call negative beings are not more powerful than us. They are very, very needy. If you have the ability to see them, ugly doesn’t mean more powerful either. It simply means they’re ugly to the human person, but it doesn’t mean they’re more powerful in any way. They’re very, very needy. I want your listeners to really hear that we living humans are the powerful beings, not these other more negative things.

Negative beings are not more powerful than us.

So even if they have reptilian slimy skin, they have sharp teeth, fangs, or whatever sorts of stuff. They look scary. It’s like, yeah, whatever. 

Make it whatever, you power up, and we are the more powerful and call-in helpers for them.

Call on Ghostbusters.

The Ghostbusters, yup.

Awesome. I know we’re out of time. I had so many more questions. I’d love to have you back for a follow-up episode at some point if your game. All right, we’ll do that. But in the meantime, this is so much wonderful stuff for our listeners or viewers to absorb and apply in their lives and in the lives of others. It’s going to be a breakthrough for some folks who are ready to receive it. So thank you for that. 

Thank you very, very, very much. 

All right, and how does our listeners or viewers get in contact with you? What if they want to learn medical intuition from you, they just want to follow you, or get a session, how do they do that?

They go to my website. I made the name of my website very easy. It’s tinazion.com and you’ll see all the books that I have out. I have a new book coming out on October 1 to be a medical intuitive for one’s self. The other two books are more to be a practitioner for others. I will have my workshops that are coming up on the website also. Thank you so much. I appreciate that. I’ve had a great time with you. 

Me too. These workshops are virtual, Zoom-based, as well as you have in-person workshops too. 

Yes. 

All right. Thank you, Tina, and thank you, listeners. 

Thank you, Stephan.

We’ll catch you in the next episode. This is your host, Stephen Spencer, signing off.

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